tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post8262410595576621913..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Burial DisturbancesJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57590169989424423462011-01-30T08:49:55.210-10:002011-01-30T08:49:55.210-10:00Religious beliefs without a Religion ? Is that the...Religious beliefs without a Religion ? Is that the concept ? Works for me.... however the concept of a religion might help your cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15421535375224207662011-01-30T07:57:58.018-10:002011-01-30T07:57:58.018-10:00kanaka - read traditional Hawaiian religious belie...kanaka - read traditional Hawaiian religious beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41348677843429932232011-01-29T16:01:43.394-10:002011-01-29T16:01:43.394-10:00This is the first I have read of a "Kanaka Ma...This is the first I have read of a "Kanaka Maoili" as a Religion ? Is this a fact that I missed....or perhaps something new ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32739054932045167682011-01-29T09:11:26.723-10:002011-01-29T09:11:26.723-10:00"Hold on to believing your ancestors spirit a..."Hold on to believing your ancestors spirit are hanging out with their bones."<br /><br />This is exactly my point. Christianity has no tolerance for religious beliefs other than its own. A lack of respect for Kanaka Maoli religious beliefs IS exactly the problem here.<br /><br />"Shut up, whitey."<br /><br />Huh? He Hawaii au!!!! Unmarked graves in Kawaiha'o are not likely to belong to "whitey's".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81308859580387589492011-01-29T07:10:23.863-10:002011-01-29T07:10:23.863-10:00Hold on to believing your ancestors spirit are han...Hold on to believing your ancestors spirit are hanging out with their bones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14846991801615047832011-01-28T19:51:21.356-10:002011-01-28T19:51:21.356-10:00"I won't know the difference? How the f*#..."I won't know the difference? How the f*#k do you know that and what matters to me obviously is of no significance to you. Such paternalistic bull crap"<br /><br />Shut up, whitey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40930515750474264752011-01-28T17:53:07.184-10:002011-01-28T17:53:07.184-10:00Anonymous 3:22 pm:
I won't know the differen...Anonymous 3:22 pm:<br /><br />I won't know the difference? How the f*#k do you know that and what matters to me obviously is of no significance to you. Such paternalistic bull crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11756078408142296302011-01-28T15:22:19.607-10:002011-01-28T15:22:19.607-10:00"I have ancestors buried there, both marked a..."I have ancestors buried there, both marked and unmarked and I am concerned about the fate of them."<br /><br />They'll be moved and re-interred. You won't know the difference. It'll be fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17719205035179066012011-01-28T10:50:49.227-10:002011-01-28T10:50:49.227-10:00Christianity has from its beginnings in Hawaii, su...Christianity has from its beginnings in Hawaii, subjugated Kanaka Maoli culture and this saga at Kawaihao is a continuance of that and is why the Kahu supports finishing the construction. It was Kawaihao that turned its back on Queen Liliuokalani after the overthrow despite her being a devout and active member of the church for years. It was the St. Andrew's Cathedral that welcomed her in during a time of unrest and turmoil in the Kingdom and when she needed her faith more than ever.<br /><br />I have ancestors buried there, both marked and unmarked and I am concerned about the fate of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31325346854445791652011-01-28T08:59:54.817-10:002011-01-28T08:59:54.817-10:00The church got $2 million then? Auwe!!!!!!!The church got $2 million then? Auwe!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88683489587863912412011-01-28T06:56:30.249-10:002011-01-28T06:56:30.249-10:00No, the state also gave the church $1 million.No, the state also gave the church $1 million.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67053548871631707062011-01-28T06:42:48.693-10:002011-01-28T06:42:48.693-10:00OHA gave the church $1 million, not Lingle. You t...OHA gave the church $1 million, not Lingle. You think OHA is pissed about their investment now? Hell yeah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17006480115180872222011-01-27T07:55:15.771-10:002011-01-27T07:55:15.771-10:00Burial Council rules were formulated to handle inc...Burial Council rules were formulated to handle incidental iwi finds. For a known church cemetery, these should be handled primarily by the church. <br /><br />Is there a win-win? In the end, the "pono" thing to do is to honor those dis-interred and for the church to be able to fulfill its mission by completing the building.<br /><br />Besides, for most people, it's not of their "kuleana" to interfere. Let's see how it plays out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com