tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post8468077557948880507..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Do GoodersJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29892086841419847132008-05-25T21:15:00.000-10:002008-05-25T21:15:00.000-10:00damn that kkcr. They made Hale disobey the police ...damn that kkcr. They made Hale disobey the police when they told him to move to public property and warned him he'd be arrested if he didn't. It's all kkcr's fault for calling the police. Puh-leaze!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64628585662834438242008-05-25T19:30:00.000-10:002008-05-25T19:30:00.000-10:00That's right Andy old boy. I left the 6:44 and th...That's right Andy old boy. I left the 6:44 and the 5:28 only. I'm still waiting for an answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60493241792803549972008-05-25T09:51:00.000-10:002008-05-25T09:51:00.000-10:00Dear Brainiac, er, Andy,There's more than one anon...Dear Brainiac, er, Andy,<BR/><BR/>There's more than one anonymous troll. Duh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30498426314947196642008-05-25T09:45:00.000-10:002008-05-25T09:45:00.000-10:00Dear Anonymous Troll,You asked “Joan, where do I s...Dear Anonymous Troll,<BR/><BR/>You asked “Joan, where do I say Hale is solely to blame? I can only be one the three entities involved that is to blame or a combination. You, in your statements fully eliminated two saying how on earth is the station to blame and then said Hale caused the cops to beat him. No the station, not the cops=only Hale left to blame in your eyes.<BR/><BR/>This came up when I said that Carl Imperato and the Board said that the station was blameless. Talking to trolls like you is like nailing Jell-o to the wall- the definition of on-line trolling.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90086603714070856302008-05-24T18:57:00.000-10:002008-05-24T18:57:00.000-10:00Absurdly partisian indeed, considering her bio, wh...Absurdly partisian indeed, considering her bio, which includes:<BR/><BR/>I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have been committed to social and economic justice since elementary school, because I was fortunate enough to be surrounded by an activist community. I am an anarchist anti-racist, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist..."<BR/><BR/>You expect anything less?<BR/><BR/>In her world, everyone is "equal". No one can have more than anyone else since that implies, in her world, that someone else must have less. One's abilities and training must never be used to improve one's own quality of life as defined by more money, land and power.<BR/><BR/>Basically, it will never work, but there will always be those fighting against the unchangable reality of the world.<BR/><BR/>Altruism is one thing and to be applauded, but rabid dogma-like "coalition building" for an anarchistic environment where the weak are artificially enabled by enforced distribution of assets from the strong....that's crazy talk!!<BR/><BR/>BTW - I think this guy could have avoided the problem by doing exactly what the cops asked. He knew he wasn't "Joe Average" just walking down the street. He knew that he was surrounded by cops whose body language and tone of voice most likely telegraphed "give us a reason". He was dumb enough to give them a reason. They asked him to move on. If he had complied, the situation would have been averted.<BR/><BR/>No blame to the radio station mgr at all. Too bad she didn't opine to the cops that she thought he was armed. That would have been fun!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80896895192753012742008-05-24T17:28:00.000-10:002008-05-24T17:28:00.000-10:00Joan, where do I say Hale is soley to blame? Plea...Joan, where do I say Hale is soley to blame? Please quote that part back to me. <BR/>I was evaluating Katy's posts that remove any blame or responsibility from the young man; period. Those posts are absurdly partisan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56165732900852811272008-05-24T09:04:00.000-10:002008-05-24T09:04:00.000-10:00Could there be a more childish attitude? "You got ...Could there be a more childish attitude? "You got us in trouble cause you told on us!" Grow up. Nobody ever has to apologize for calling the police. Ever. If there is a touchy situation and someone isn't sure how it might go down, and if they're worried about it in the least little bit, they are totally correct to call the police. If someone can't handle themselves and gets themselves in trouble with their behavior, it's NOT the fault of whoever called the police. Hale and only Hale is responsible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82113778907589248732008-05-24T08:23:00.000-10:002008-05-24T08:23:00.000-10:00Can you see, Anonymous, that you are taking it out...Can you see, Anonymous, that you are taking it out of context by claiming that Hale is somehow solely to blame because he was there for "political purposes," without also acknowleding that none of this would have happened if the radio station hadn't called the cops and inflated the threat of situation? What about the common sense and restraint that the station staff should have exercised?Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2074357057207651222008-05-24T06:44:00.000-10:002008-05-24T06:44:00.000-10:00Here, you take the event completely out of it's co...Here, you take the event completely out of it's context:<BR/><BR/>"When is it okay for police to react in such a way to a person exercising their basic human rights?"<BR/><BR/>Here, you put the event back in context:<BR/> <BR/>"The police should not target a person for doing something other people do without interference (walk down the street) solely for political reasons." <BR/><BR/>Here, you put the event in, and take it out of, context:<BR/><BR/>"...he was told to leave by police. When he questioned their authority - a perfectly reasonable thing to do - they threw him to the ground."<BR/><BR/>Context is important. You can't examine something as if nothing else is going on and judge only that part of it. He was not just walking down the street. Real silly, is saying he was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28027182896583082362008-05-24T06:34:00.000-10:002008-05-24T06:34:00.000-10:00As I explained earlier, I believe that the station...As I explained earlier, I believe that the station staff and board should acknowledge responsibility for inflating the "threat" posed by us when the staffer called the police. <BR/><BR/>AND the police should be held responsible for what they did to Hale.Katy Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09314415747851603037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35026760921685071872008-05-24T00:02:00.000-10:002008-05-24T00:02:00.000-10:00you're playing rhetorical games. Andy said some ra...you're playing rhetorical games. Andy said some radio person was responsible for, (what did he say?), beating incident?! (HA! Bullshit) presumably for calling the cops. If you think the cops overreacted, fine. But it's not the radio station's fault. Nor, probably, did the cops even overreact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20405928538503556862008-05-23T22:41:00.000-10:002008-05-23T22:41:00.000-10:00This is really silly. When is it okay for police ...This is really silly. When is it okay for police to react in such a way to a person exercising their basic human rights? <BR/><BR/>Again, the ONLY reason the police chose to arrest Hale for doing what others do all day up and down that road without interference was that he was there for a political reason, to express a dissenting opinion on a controversial and socially important topic.<BR/><BR/>The police should not target a person for doing something other people do without interference (walk down the street) solely for political reasons. <BR/><BR/>I guess Hale's "responsibility" for this was that he was young, indigenous and speaking out for social justice.<BR/><BR/>Shame on him.Katy Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09314415747851603037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85404221321813158312008-05-23T21:17:00.000-10:002008-05-23T21:17:00.000-10:00Hale has no responsibility?How about responsibilit...Hale has no responsibility?<BR/>How about responsibility for some common sense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10384096846466023632008-05-23T18:43:00.000-10:002008-05-23T18:43:00.000-10:00From Katy Rose:The incident in which Hale Mawae wa...From Katy Rose:<BR/><BR/>The incident in which Hale Mawae was arrested with excessive force was indeed instigated by the hyped-up and hysterical reaction of station staff to an explicitly peaceful gathering of five people hoping to speak to management about a decision they had made. The acting "manager," Donna Lewis, called the police - that is public information. She claimed that we were threatening to do physical harm to the station - patently untrue and obvious to anyone with a brain.<BR/><BR/>Hale Mawae was walking along the road, where people walk, bike and jog undisturbed every day, on what is a public access road, when he was told to leave by police. When he questioned their authority - a perfectly reasonable thing to do - they threw him to the ground, in a mud puddle, and five cops dog-piled him, destroying the camera he held and injuring his wrist and shoulder, as he repeatedly said "I am not resisting." In what world is this okay?<BR/><BR/>The police - having been called with a report that we were physically threatening the station - were inflamed before they had even spoken to us. They were aggressive and confrontational and closed to negotiation from the moment they arrived. I believe it is reasonable for the entity who called the cops to be held to some responsibility for instigating the confrontation. The staff and board of KKCR have some responsibility here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22486125907092561872008-05-23T18:27:00.000-10:002008-05-23T18:27:00.000-10:00"Hale Mawae beating incident"? You mean the Hale M..."Hale Mawae beating incident"? You mean the Hale Mawae arrest incident? "Beating." You are so full of it. Besides, how on earth would kkcr be responsible? By calling the cops? Oh, that's rich.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3237351059980176032008-05-23T18:04:00.000-10:002008-05-23T18:04:00.000-10:00I don’t really care about Carl or anyone else’s pe...I don’t really care about Carl or anyone else’s personal lives including the size of their house and fence. Like most, I’d probably have an ag condo if I ever could afford it. 30 years ago I might have farmed it- imagine that. It was never affordable.<BR/><BR/>But I would like to ask Carl about his participation in the KKCR whitewash and cover-up of the Hale Mawae beating incident, where he headed the Kekahu Foundation’s Personnel Committee that was in charge of an investigation that never happened and was also author of a Board-approved letter containing misrepresentation of facts and almost laughable denial of all involvement, much less responsibility..<BR/><BR/>I would also like to ask Carl about his letter in the paper praising what many have reported as an overshow of police force at Black Pot beach this week, harassing the local fisher(wo)men.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78889889372337296662008-05-23T12:44:00.000-10:002008-05-23T12:44:00.000-10:00Thanks. I'll pass your recommendation along to my ...Thanks. I'll pass your recommendation along to my friend, who lives with that "good looking" wall that runs between their properties. I'm sure it will make him feel better knowing that his neighbor works tirelessly for the good of the people of Kauai.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24268517871770090322008-05-22T22:12:00.000-10:002008-05-22T22:12:00.000-10:00Before we leave this one to rest, I gotta throw do...Before we leave this one to rest, I gotta throw down a comment on behalf of Carl Imperato. I have seen his house and its not that big at all. The wall?... it looks good, it block out the highway, and is not unlike the one down the street a local family built some years back. But all this talk about his house and his wall is stupid. The guy works tirelessly for the good of the people of Kauai on many issues. I was born and raised here, I have the ancient koko running in my veins, and I give Carl Imperato big repsect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65362923016371427962008-05-22T06:21:00.000-10:002008-05-22T06:21:00.000-10:00Nothing kills a viable grassroots social movement ...Nothing kills a viable grassroots social movement faster in my opinion than a decision to put all our energy and focus onto national electoral politics. <BR/><BR/>This is not to say there isn't value in that process - but it is a much different process than localized grassroots movement building, which is what we are discussing here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79540550091829937852008-05-21T22:38:00.000-10:002008-05-21T22:38:00.000-10:00This is a really critically needed and valuble pos...This is a really critically needed and valuble posting because it is so to the point and done by a self described member or associate.<BR/>The thread mostly contains very thoughtful concerns regarding coalitions.<BR/>Perhaps it's more important this year to examine how to keep together the coalition called the Democratic Party. The Nader business was that coalition being fractured for some of the same reasons described on this post. Look at the 8 years we got for it. Let's not do it again over so called uncompromising principles.<BR/>Regards, Pete AntonsonPete Antonsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09339804837536096646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3411312598608217632008-05-21T18:22:00.000-10:002008-05-21T18:22:00.000-10:00"New age missionaries" is so true! Of all the publ..."New age missionaries" is so true! Of all the publicly vocal native Hawaiians, it's Ka‘iulani Huff and Hale Mawae who sound like a couple of white undergrads with crushes on that TA who teaches the indiginous studies seminar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47737833064761623492008-05-21T18:12:00.000-10:002008-05-21T18:12:00.000-10:00huh?huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63734529247141126712008-05-21T17:44:00.000-10:002008-05-21T17:44:00.000-10:00"New age missionaries" is so true! Of all the publ..."New age missionaries" is so true! Of all the publicly vocal native Hawaiians, it's Ka‘iulani Huff and Hale Mawae who sound like a couple of white undergrads with crushes on that TA who teaches the indiginous studies seminar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86886366440175375912008-05-21T16:08:00.000-10:002008-05-21T16:08:00.000-10:00Thank you Joan for this really thoughtful blog. Un...Thank you Joan for this really thoughtful blog. Unfortunately, Kaua`i has not been able (yet) to move beyond elitism in the environmental movement. Until we approach issues from a diverse and holistic point of view, and until we are truly concerned about the needs of all people along with malama `aina, we will not make monumental change. I think this kind of critique and reflection is necessary to moving forward, and we should not be afraid to have these uncomfortable conversations. The disconnect on Kaua`i between communities, cultures, movements, etc., is something that many would like to ignore, choosing instead to hide behind the myth of the "melting pot." I really appreciate your willingness to talk about the stuff that matters--including your great presentation on the mili-ferry last night!andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478363609251794950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25648513656373565592008-05-21T13:27:00.000-10:002008-05-21T13:27:00.000-10:00Indeed.Indeed.Katy Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09314415747851603037noreply@blogger.com