tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post858119298673056807..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Citizen ScientistsJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30052718327579556292014-01-23T12:26:27.400-10:002014-01-23T12:26:27.400-10:00http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=1...http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=13-P13-00049&segmentID=2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9325061614386687812014-01-23T01:56:23.202-10:002014-01-23T01:56:23.202-10:00Nobody not even the seed companies are saying that...Nobody not even the seed companies are saying that. We're saying don't exaggerate and make stuff up like you just did. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85800843772797271272014-01-22T22:55:20.322-10:002014-01-22T22:55:20.322-10:00January 22, 2014 at 7:27 PM:
My comment was direc...January 22, 2014 at 7:27 PM: <br />My comment was directed at those who say that it's all in the imagination and we can trust the pesticide companies, who tell us no worry, stop complaining and breath deep. Even if the dust isn't laden with restricted use pesticides, wtf? (sorry for the profanity)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38812108533685571082014-01-22T22:27:45.238-10:002014-01-22T22:27:45.238-10:00January 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM,
Because a meeting o...January 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM,<br /><br />Because a meeting of the Kauai County Star Chamber is the perfect venue for the discussion of complex, emotional topics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90452536624149454032014-01-22T19:27:00.348-10:002014-01-22T19:27:00.348-10:005:20pm--read good! Pioneer doesn't tell us wh...5:20pm--read good! Pioneer doesn't tell us where and what they are spraying! Syngenta does a better job at informing their neighbors! And, no need get mad, no need use swear words---whoa laulau, get some kaukau and relax! But, read good too and no assume stuff! AlohaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41971382056926248562014-01-22T17:20:56.181-10:002014-01-22T17:20:56.181-10:00then what's the problem with the pesticide com...then what's the problem with the pesticide companies disclosing what they spray when they spray and where they spray? time to breathe deep and shut the f*** upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64997034531596137342014-01-22T17:17:18.680-10:002014-01-22T17:17:18.680-10:00After game quaterbacks are everywhere----for me, i...<br />After game quaterbacks are everywhere----for me, i am just glad there is something happening that brings attention to the biotechs. Waimea has not been notified about what Pioneer is spraying on the fields above the Waimea River. What's happening to the good neighbor plan?<br />Syngenta has given us info on a weekly basis via email. You who are so critical about us, who are having a bad time with dust/pesticides, don't understand what it's like to ask for help and cooperation for the past 13 years and get shoved aside! Cough, cough---gotta go to the doctor now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79062318098918291292014-01-22T16:37:22.882-10:002014-01-22T16:37:22.882-10:00Actually- Recently discovered really really scient...Actually- Recently discovered really really scientific tests have proven that Kauai has a gazillion more faddists, a gajillion more hypocrites and an infinite supply of newcomer crazy "we didn't do it that way in Cali" bullies than any place in the whole wide world. <br />All of the chemical companies combined use a fraction of the hard core chemicals used on Kauai. Not to mention, Roundup by the container load being sold every month...Time to get off the Tonto speak "what you mean we, Kimosabe?" and bring all factions to the table.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31083013338804479232014-01-22T14:54:27.384-10:002014-01-22T14:54:27.384-10:00Yeah, what's a little pesticide between friend...Yeah, what's a little pesticide between friends? breathe deep and shut the f*** upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8614401765804542352014-01-22T13:50:56.884-10:002014-01-22T13:50:56.884-10:0012:51
If you are a sheep and a wolf comes your doo...12:51<br />If you are a sheep and a wolf comes your door, you do not invite him into dinner. Corn/Chem should not have even gone to the gonzo council meeting and waited until a subpena was served.<br />Chem/Corn and the county could have come together. It would have taken a reasonable person to do the negotiating for the County, Hooser and Bynam are historically anti-Big Ag, anti-PMRF, anti Hotel, anti- any development, they are anti BUSINESS.<br />They do not understand that locals have to work and that Kauai's economy is a multifaceted beast with tourism at the center.<br />For angry Gary to condemn Big Agro for suing the County is joke, everyone knew it was coming.<br />Yo' man, Timmy can sue over trivia, but when a poorly written law "takes" from land owners it is a bad thing......wake up, this suit will go deep and unless the County comes to sanity, we all will suffer, errr I mean the taxpayer......but shucks, who cares about the taxpayer, they probably work for a big business, so they are bad anyway.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18854600763517428582014-01-22T12:51:48.226-10:002014-01-22T12:51:48.226-10:00I really cannot believe in this late stage there i...I really cannot believe in this late stage there is someone still uninformed enough and willing to share their ever so naive two cents about how we should have all sat down with the seed companies to "talk abut it"!!!! Really! Are you that out of touch? Did you not watch the council meeting where the company reps were dead silent when asked simple direct questions? Unbelievable the audacity of some of the seed company employees to fabricate their own truths. SMHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36258764845935957092014-01-22T08:34:37.206-10:002014-01-22T08:34:37.206-10:00Corporate writer.
The physicians said pesticides ...Corporate writer.<br /><br />The physicians said pesticides are toxic. Unbelievable, SeedCo. wants you to think they are healthy. Take a second and think about the shit they are peddling. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27055531015676281662014-01-22T08:02:52.379-10:002014-01-22T08:02:52.379-10:00Joan, over the years I have come to appreciate you...Joan, over the years I have come to appreciate your writing so much. Thank you. The anti-GMO/pesticide ordinance was at best the cart before the horse. We should have defined the problem and then tried to address it. Hooser should have, but did not, even attempt to work cooperatively with the seed companies to address community concerns. This ludicrous mess is what we're left with. Are there pesticides in the environment? Of course there are...from homeowner use, termite treatments, golf courses, invasive species control, roadside use, along with farmers' uses. Is this a problem for human or environmental health? Unlikely, given the probable minute amounts and the toxicology of the compounds out there. DOH is currently conducting pesticide sampling but due to costs, it is limited and will only provide a snapshot picture of what pesticides may be in the environment. Because of state of the art, very low detection levels, small amounts of pesticides will likely be found. Hopefully DOH will help the community put the numbers into perspective so they are meaningful. There seems to be no public understanding of basic chemistry or risk analysis so it's hard to imagine that anyone will be satisfied with what the science will show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59275687096173161432014-01-21T20:48:52.768-10:002014-01-21T20:48:52.768-10:00Gary Hooser should have added this to his scientif...Gary Hooser should have added this to his scientific and honest letter to the Leg posted on his Blog.<br />“Reality depresses me. I need to find fantasy worlds and escape in them.” <br />Really- Gary might be OK, but what an experienced liar he is.<br />The Senate already knows his techniques, but to have this kind of person driving the Kauai County bus is a joke (Jay acquiesced power to Gary, Jay lost his huevos long ago)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16042636330564797552014-01-21T15:46:52.281-10:002014-01-21T15:46:52.281-10:00The groundswell against genetically modified food ...The groundswell against genetically modified food has rankled many scientists, who argue that opponents of G.M.O.s have distorted the risks associated with them and underplayed the risks of failing to try to use the technology to improve how food is grown. Wading into a debate that has more typically pitted activists against industry, some have argued that opposition from even small pockets of an American elite influences investment in research and the deployment of genetically modified crops, particularly in the developing world, where hunger raises the stakes.<br /><br />Scientists, who have come to rely on liberals in political battles over stem-cell research, climate change and the teaching of evolution, have been dismayed to find themselves at odds with their traditional allies on this issue. Some compare the hostility to G.M.O.s to the rejection of climate-change science, except with liberal opponents instead of conservative ones.<br /><br />How fair is this comparison? On first glance there appear to be some distinctions worth making. Global warming is potentially an existential threat to humanity, while genetic engineering of crops is not. Liberals who oppose genetic engineering have not engaged in the same type of smear campaigns against engineering supporters, and modern liberalism doesn't pride itself in the same way on the rejection of mainstream science. And yet, as Harmon details, liberal activists have engaged in scaremongering and making wild claims, sometimes often about engineering companies. And although genetic engineering may not be on par with the survival of the human race, it is potentially an issue with huge implications for global hunger and malnutrition. (As Harmon writes, "In the Philippines, protesters, citing safety concerns, ripped up a test field of rice genetically engineered to address Vitamin A deficiency among the world’s poor.")<br /><br />But this still leaves one vast difference. This story, a news piece which is also pleasingly one-sided (as the evidence demands), is appearing in the most important liberal publication in the country. The liberals who rant about genetically modified food may be pushing a point of view that is objectively as crazy as believing carbon emissions are not causing global warming; but liberals are still more likely (and willing) to get their news from places that tell them the truth. For conservatives who like to claim that Fox News is just a conservative version of The New York Times, ask yourselves this: Could you imagine Fox News running a big, one-sided piece that overwhelmingly discredited global warming deniers? Of course not. (The Times ran another excellent genetically modified food piece last year, also written by Amy Harmon.)<br /><br />This probably goes some way in explaining why the modern Republican Party and conservative movement frequently seem so much crazier than mainstream liberalism. It's not that people are simply and inherently crazy; they also operate from within crazy bubbles, which is arguably just as dangerous. For this reason, my guess is that over time liberal opposition to genetic engineering will fade away. I wish the same could be said about right-wing opposition to any type of scheme for containing carbon emissions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59276616185614260182014-01-21T15:26:52.431-10:002014-01-21T15:26:52.431-10:00Good try. Except that's not why pakalolo is il...Good try. Except that's not why pakalolo is illegal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22721408623935607662014-01-21T15:21:36.552-10:002014-01-21T15:21:36.552-10:00aSpeaking of double standards, as long as pakalolo...aSpeaking of double standards, as long as pakalolo remains illegal because there are not studies to prove it is safe, GMO Co. should be stuck with the same reasoning.<br /><br /> Upton Sinclaire said, " “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57471387587963050582014-01-21T15:15:02.103-10:002014-01-21T15:15:02.103-10:00Sugar/Corn growers have been using their chemicals...Sugar/Corn growers have been using their chemicals for decades. Strange brew, only after the anti-GMO fatalists start singing their anti-Monsanto (even if there is no Kauai Monsanto) ballads in harmony with the dynamic tubby duo of Bynam/Hooser, did a couple of Docs start whining about birth defects and apocalyptic horrors of westside Ag etc. Where are their letters to DOH, CDC and EPA? Docs can get limp wristy emotional, but to cry in public and not perform their ethical, moral and professional duty to Report ANY spike of illness is BS at its best.<br />What the west side,the epicenter of all of these cataclysmic diseases, really needs, are more elderly care homes to take care of the many elderly who have been eating, swimming and breathing the cancerous air and water for 80 plus years.....<br />BTW- the big land owners test the water frequently, but why should they share any results with the nut-job Council who is out to take their land. Facts, Ma'am, jus' the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62898459534617919382014-01-21T14:41:20.786-10:002014-01-21T14:41:20.786-10:00Joan you must have missed this TGI article in Sept...Joan you must have missed this TGI article in September. We should see results soon. http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/pesticide-tests-to-begin-on-kauai/article_65bc8a3c-2742-11e3-ab92-0019bb2963f4.html Maybe there was a delay on the atrazine task force due to the loss of tragic Loretta Fuddy.<br /><br />Also, there were citizen tests done to confirm the presence of several pesticides including atrazine, however the low cost test indicate only the presence, not the level of contamination.<br /><br />The more advanced testing methods that can test for multiple chemicals in a single sample are very expensive and you would want to confirm all chemicals before initiating testing or risk omitting some, in addition to the points Fern made about preserving the samples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14246166687374918212014-01-21T14:15:18.287-10:002014-01-21T14:15:18.287-10:00Yes, it is true that doctors on Kauai have testifi...Yes, it is true that doctors on Kauai have testified about birth defects and cancers on Kauai, but there is no study which can verify these claims. <br /><br />While there is a positive correlation between increase in GMO foods and cancers, there is also a positive correlation between use of organic foods and autism. Yes, it is as ridiculous as it sounds: correlation is not causation. <br /><br />There was a doctor on Kauai, who still believed in, and vehemently defended the Serilini study, that feeding rats GMO food caused cancer, which has since been widely discredited and debunked, and insisted that the evidence in the study is "anecdotally statistically significant." There are also doctors on Kauai and elsewhere who have testified that GMO foods cause cancer, when the vast majority of the scientific community shows no such link.<br /><br />As Amy Harmon of the New York Times pointed out, it is a confounding contradiction that so called liberal people who are anti-GMO, go crazy when confronted with people who do not believe in global warming.<br /><br />http://reason.com/blog/2014/01/06/excellent-new-york-times-article-on-the<br /><br />The scientific community overwhelmingly believes that global warming is real, just as the scientific community believes that GMO foods are safe. Where is the disconnect--why do liberal thinkers believe in science in one case, and not in another? Doctors who are avowed anti-GMO, prescribe medicines/drugs which are GMO derived, yet condemn GMO foods? Why do we call GMO foods "Frankenfoods" and don't call GMO drugs "Frankenvaccines" or "Frankenmedicines"? <br /><br />What a strange contradiction and hypocrisy that the anti-GMO movement is using the very same tactics as the global warming deniers.<br /><br />Regarding pesticides, Joan is spot on: directed studies need to be done to test for the alleged poisons to verify the levels. This is exactly what the "consultant" will conclude--for $110,000! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82195350524681749392014-01-21T13:13:38.754-10:002014-01-21T13:13:38.754-10:00They're naturally occurring in volcanic soils....They're naturally occurring in volcanic soils. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78882515913777181072014-01-21T13:10:27.075-10:002014-01-21T13:10:27.075-10:00No doctor testified that pesticides were causing b...No doctor testified that pesticides were causing birth defects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33084031526739129042014-01-21T12:59:39.625-10:002014-01-21T12:59:39.625-10:00I do not trust the activist's statistics.
I d...I do not trust the activist's statistics.<br /><br />I do not trust the multinational corporation's statistics.<br /><br />I trust the Kauai pediatricians who testified about what they see on Kauai.<br /><br />Dow/Syngenta, Pioneer doing a good job about diverting this to being about hating on Hooser or Bynum or hippies and realtors…. but I just replaying that doctor testimony about all the birth defects. And I think all about the poor birds that eat the pesticide sprayed bugs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15270716149652756052014-01-21T12:53:44.499-10:002014-01-21T12:53:44.499-10:00How has it come to pass that corporations now have...How has it come to pass that corporations now have a stronger influence on the health of Americans than public health officials, doctors or hospitals?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11554363758837608722014-01-21T10:53:47.998-10:002014-01-21T10:53:47.998-10:00Chromium, cadmium, arsenic and lead. I do not kno...Chromium, cadmium, arsenic and lead. I do not know of ANY fertilizer brand which includes any of these ingredients! Therefore, from a brief chemical science background, I would suggest that we need to look for another generator than the ag industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com