Thursday, August 18, 2016

Musings: Sorry State

It's hard to understand why Hawaii wanted to host the International Union for Conservation of Nature World Conservation Congress meeting next month.

It's not exactly like the Islands serve as a great role model for effective and meaningful conservation strategies, though there are some bright spots. Indeed, when you consider that Hawaii is the endangered species capital of the world, it offers far more compelling examples of what not to do.  

And does anyone else see the irony of having hundreds of people fly to Oahu to ponder such topics as climate change and sustainable development? As the conference promo claims:

Hawaiʻi is one of the few islands with the capacity to host an event of this size.

Except, it really doesn't have the capacity. As a new report on the state of the environment, He Lono Moku, points out, Hawaii is consuming water and energy at unsustainable rates, in large part to support its economic drivers of military and tourism.

But the report doesn't address at all the concept of economic diversification to help wean the state's economy off these unsustainable industries. It doesn't even question them.

Perhaps most striking is Hawaii's cavalier consumption of water, which is nearly double the national average for non-ag uses.

With tourism on the rise, and rainfall down 22 percent in recent decades, the Islands' water supply is threatened, the report states. 

Reducing public daily consumption is necessary to allow Hawaii's water to go further. To that end, the state aims to double the area of priority watersheds under active management by 2030.

One sobering statistic: The United Nations estimates that in nine years, two-thirds of the world population will be living under water-stressed conditions.

In regard to energy, the state is challenged in meeting its mandate of generating 100 percent of its electricity from renewable sources. The report states:

Communities must come to terms with hosting large-scale energy projects in their backyards, and developers in turn need to appropriate a fair package of community benefits with each project.

The report makes no mention of the socio-economic impacts associated with rooftop solar systems, in terms of who should pay to maintain a grid that supports poor people, renters and others unable to purchase a home system.

And while it touts a bike-share program on Oahu, it says nothing about reducing the tourism-driven airline traffic to the Islands, which accounts for 27 percent of the state's petroleum use.

Other intriguing tidbits from the report: Hawaii is the only coastal state that does not mandate saltwater fishing licenses; 60 cents of every $1.05 from Hawaii's oil barrel tax is diverted to the general fund, rather than to engery and agriculture as was intended; and cesspools release 55 million gallons of untreated sewage into the ground each day.

Here's one from those who own oceanfront properties: Coastal erosion rates are projected to double by 2050. 

Sounds like a good time for the state to get super conservative on shoreline setbacks.

Though activists like to portray Kauai as a toxic waste dump poisoned by agricultural pesticides, the report lauds the island for its achievements in using renewable energy to produce electricity and adopting a community-based model of traditional marine conservation.

In fact, the report makes no mention of pesticides or agriculture adversely impacting Hawaii's environment. Indeed, it calls for the state Legislature to dramatically increase funding for both the state Department of Land and Natural Resources and the Department of Agriculture.

DLNR gets just 1 percent of the state budget, even as it's charged with managing 30 percent of the state's land and water resources. And despite all the hue and cry for more local food, the DOA gets a measly .4 percent of the state budget, operating on a paltry $49 million annually.

The report notes:

In 1900, more than half of Hawai's labor force worked in agriculture. Today just 1 percent of the state's workers are in farming, and 90 percent of its food is imported.

Now, try as some folks might, you simply can't blame that scenario on the seed companies.

Shockingly, Hawaii wastes 237,000 tons of food annually.

The report continues:

New magazines like Modern Farmer and the soon-to-debut reality show Yardfarmer suggest a golden age of agriculture may be dawning. However, from 2007 to 2012, the U.S. lost about 100,000 farms and 7.5 million acres of farmland, and Hawaii is trending in the same direction.

Gee. I wonder why.

51 comments:

John Kauai said...

Oh, oh: he long mock is partially funded by Ulupono Initiative. :^)

WRT the power question: IMHO KIUC is doing a great job of handling that. In fact they may start restricting privately owned solar as other power suppliers have. The battery storage facility they are putting into place along with Solar City (Tesla) is going to really help drop the need for petroleum generated electricity. Since "net-metering" is a thing of the past, the incentive to install your own solar system drops considerably. KIUC only pays you what it would cost them if they had to generate it themselves, and since they are generating a lot of Solar in the middle of the day, that price is dropping precipitously. They used to owe me at the end of every month, now I owe them. Hoping Detroit builds an electric truck soon.

I installed an internet rain gauge last month. I'm really surprised that in 2 months where it seems to rain nearly every day (although not hard at all) I've received about 2.25 inches. This year is MUCH wetter than last. We've been thinking of installing catchment, but the tanks have to come from the big island and shipping is prohibitive. I'm not sure we get enough rain to come close to filling the tank.

John Kauai said...

he long mock == He Lono Moku
Spelling checker. Should have been more careful.

John Kauai said...

Considering todays's theme, today's article on NPR is applicable.
It also applies to the question of HI schools that was asked yesterday.


Should We Be Having Kids In The Age Of Climate Change?
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/18/479349760/should-we-be-having-kids-in-the-age-of-climate-change

The article asks the question: "Is it moral to have a child in a world that is doomed?"

Anonymous said...

On this blog i sense a lack of inner peace and a lot of inner pollution. Where's the balance and harmony? Gotta change the thoughts and conversation or division, anger, dislike will continue. Needed: a shift in consciousness-----from division/separation to unity. Shine the light, lead the way with your written/spoken words!

Anonymous said...


Hey John,

Your 1:29 is a fair question I think. That is why you and I will never be elected for anything.

For a pollitition to bring that out front --- lets just say that it would fall flat and we would be accused of racism.

I like your electric truck thought. Have you seen the electric motorcycles yet? Pretty cool.

Anonymous said...

Overpopulation is a major problem, not just from a global warming perspective but also from the perspective of food sustainability. The "carrying capacity" of land in many countries has already been exceeded and as callous as it sounds, the people should be allowed to starve to restore the balance with nature. Watching UNICEF and other humanitarian organizations provide temporary solutions, like sending food, only prolongs the inevitable. The human race cannot continue to push the boundaries of what the earth can support. In the words of the late comic Sam Kinison, the people of Ethiopia don't need food, they need U-Hauls. You're living in a desert and the ground is sand. Move to where the food and water are.

Anonymous said...


Oh and water catchment ,

I don't know about large scale potable drinking water, but I do know with a little ingenuity you can supply your gardens thirst with a trip to the farm supply and hardware store.

Anonymous said...

H-Bombs, Over-population and now, the Climate Change hysteria.
A new Chicken Little every couple of decades. Climate has been an ebb and flow since Noah's Ark.
We will adapt.
My heptachlor drenched soil produces, the air and water are clean. We are healthy.
Love your neighbor, help the needy and stay away from too many acronyms.

The State denies individuals the right to fix the Hana Wai ditches. The State is removing vital reservoirs. And the water runs straight down to the sea.
The big land owners of Kauai are the main reason we have any of the endangered species. The big land owners also take care of the water. Read a bit about some of the old families, that to this day, fight to keep the government out of their lands. Anywhere the State goes fickle folly follows.
Love your big land owner, they are doing more for the environment than the Feds, State and County combined.
All the hoo hoo about GFs moo moos is Bull Sh*t. GF is one of the the great protectors of the land. But as the State and County try to shove more rules and regs, big land will have to develop just to stay alive.
The State and County can't even keep the bathroom's clean in their parks, and we trust them to design a sustainable future?
Is it true that 40 percent of all KIUC power is used for the DOW pumps?
On the other hand, the County Water sure do taste good. Sodium hypochlorite and all.
And a simple man named Jonathon Snow engineers chlorinated water and saves more lives than all of the MDs, vaccines and penicillins combined. Overnight cholera, dysentery and other water born hazards were removed. A real unsung hero.

John Kauai said...

3:37
Yeah, I use about 10,000 gallons/month between irrigation and home use. In theory I should be able to figure out where it goes.
I have no idea how to convert 1" of rain to a gallon. I'm sure it depends on the size of the roof. Let's say 2000 sq ft. Any idea?

Anonymous said...

Every inch of rain per square foot of roof generates .6 gallons of water. One inch of rain on 2,000 sq ft will give you 1200 gallons of water.

Anonymous said...

For every inch of rainfall, we can expect
to collect 600 gallons on 1000 square feet of
collection area, that means that every square foot
of roof will collect 0.6 gallons of rainwater
for every inch of rain that falls (1000 / 6oo = 0.6
).

Anonymous said...

Some staggering statistics - thank you. We built in the 80s when cesspools were ok, but I've been feeling guilty about not switching to a septic system even if not required by law. More so now after reading this post. There needs to be low interest loans, tax credits and / or grant opportunities - similar to that which has been offered for solar panels. Aware of any funding sources, Joan? I'll kokua w/grant writing.
Pat Hunter-Williams, Anahola

Anonymous said...


2000 sq ft. With let's just say an average roof slope---- first we are assuming we have rain gutters on this roof. I find it odd that rain gutters are sparse round here!

Anyway, if you have the abillity to catch your water coming off a roof -- i got a clue about mathimatics believe it or not but , my" situation always dictates" thinking is that a ten minute tropical rain squall could top off some barrels!!

6:03, I have county water and find it sweet to the taste and would never think of buying store bought water. But watering your gardens is very expensive . It does make sense to "farm" your own water I think.

Anonymous said...


And if you are watering at the proper times of day, I like to think most of it ( the water) goes into the watershed. Now that would be complicated math but it would be a positive I reckon!

Anonymous said...

I lead the water off my roof via down spouts and pvc pipe to the papayas and the garden.
The water from the wash machine is led to the hedges,lawn and avacados.
Down hill all the way.
Gravity works!

Anonymous said...

It is 1,246.75 gallons

Anonymous said...

Too much water used for seed corn for pig food and now they want 3 million gallons a day to wash cow waste into the ocean.

Joan Conrow said...

Thank you for sharing your ignorance, 8:18. Always fascinating to observe those people who must weigh in, even though they are sorely misinformed about the topics upon which they're expounding.

Anonymous said...

Seed corn requires and far less water than the thirsty sugar cane did. Read the EIS or arrange a visit to the dairy site so you won't make unfounded absurd comments. You take the high road by saying it is "fascinating", it is exasperating.

Anonymous said...

The state is providing millions of dollars in public funds to support a major international gathering of conservationists, called the World Conservation Congress, in Honolulu in September, including at least $4 million from the state department that oversees Hawaii environmental protection, park maintenance and land management programs.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/hawaii-news/state-tapping-land-funds-for-conservation-conference/

Anonymous said...


Well, for a grand few hours,

WE were all being harmonious.then 8:18 (aka ??? )came round and got a well deserved verbal correction.( I'm sure most of us realized who 8:18 was?)

Then 11:03 came upon us to kill whatever happy thought was left.

If you understand water catchments and can add input to saving water,,,, please chime in. Let's end this post on a positive note?

And thank you mathematicians!


Anonymous said...

To Anonymous, August 18, 2016, 9:53 PM:

Please take a look at the state law recently passed that provides up to $10,000 tax credit for upgrade, conversion or connection of certain residential cesspools.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB3084_CD1_.htm

Anonymous said...

Not only does seed corn use far less water per acre, it uses far less field area. And the water it does use is secondary recovered water or private wells that would other wise sheet flow into the sea. And the corn is not used to feed pigs, it is used for seed.

Anonymous said...

1:26- And what happens to the corn that is grown from the seed?

John Kauai said...

3:31:
Who cares?

I like pork. The corn probably doesn't affect the pigs as much as the slaughter house. I know of no "fantastic dreams" that say eating pork grown on GMO corn is bad for you. There are lots of studies that say eating pork is bad -- period. Vegans have to manage their diet. I find myself eating a lot less meat, but I still like it -- just not enough to eat it all the time.

There is a lot of variation in what GMO becomes. Much of it is good, some of it may be questionable. (I don't like the idea of eating Bt corn, but I'm not saying anyone else shouldn't.) The pesticides are a different question. It isn't clear to me what is "OK" and what isn't. I am very much aware of the claims made against glyphosate. They are real enough that I refrain from using glyphosate (which isn't the same as saying I don't use it at all.) Hey, if the farms on the westside weren't run by corporations (you know the guys who crashed the economy in 2008 and are getting ready to do it again), I'd probably believe them.

Now, if you want to talk about the antibiotics the pigs eat, or the fact that when they are slaughtered they are scared to death and so are full of all kinds of terror hormones that I end up eating and so become abnormally aggressive, OK, maybe there is something to worry about. Or maybe not.

Hell, Climate Change is going to kill us all long before this GMO controversy becomes important -- that is unless Keith Robinson is right and it is going to be the Chinese who are going to nuke us.

I sure hope it is recognized how I strained to express both sides.

Anonymous said...

It is important to know how the seed is used, because that determines how sustainable growing seed on Kauaʻi is. Gmoʻs are supposed to feed the world in a sustainable way, arenʻt they? I have yet to see it scientifically explained how this whole process is sustainable in feeding us here on Kauaaʻi.

Peter Antonson said...

Get a grip John!
Why not call adrenaline by it's name instead of inventing "terror hormone?"
Thanks for alerting me of the [growing?] "fear the adrenaline" rabble out there and the latest silliness marking vegan dementia!

Joan Conrow said...

8:02. Growing seed is a lot more sustainable than growing tourism, or second homes for the super wealthy.

Also , as I've noted numerous times, the parent seed farms in Hawaii aren't producing only GMOs, so they are supporting seed production that feeds people around the world, including eaters in Hawaii. Furthermore, the fields are keeping agriculture alive and irrigation systems functioning, both of which benefit both current and future farms.

If you're interested in "feeding us here on Kauai," I suggest you start growing food instead of trying to detract from the agricultural efforts of the seed companies.

Anonymous said...

How is poisoning paradise for profit sustainable?

Joan Conrow said...

Are you posing that question to yourself every time you ride in a motorized vehicle, flush the toilet, flick on the lights, buy groceries? Oh, and drop the hackneyed "paradise" bit. Hawaii is a real and troubled place. It's not paradise.

Anonymous said...

John Kauai spends too much time cutting and pasting and too little time thinking about what he pastes. The latest post is, as usual, a miasma of half digested waffling like linking the seed companies to the mega banks corporations (you know the guys who crashed the economy in 2008 and are getting ready to do it again) because they are large corporations. If he strained to set out something, it was closer to a bowel movement than "both sides".

Anonymous said...

John loves to blame the corporations but average people speculating in the housing market, taking out home equity loans to buy more stuff and agreeing to ARMs they couldn't afford also played a part.

Anonymous said...

4:12AM, Could you please explain something? 8:02 asks a very important question that you failed to answer Instead you said they were "trying to detract from the agricultural efforts of the seed companies". How about directing us to the science which shows exactly how sustainable seed farming on Kauaʻi is? Comparing seed farming to tourism or homes for the wealthy is not explaining how sustainable seed farming is. It would be better to compare seed farming on Kauaʻi to other kinds of farming. Could you please offer us the scientific links which can give readers a a way of comparing the sustainability of gmo seed farms on Kauaʻi to other kinds of farms like organic or permaculture? Good science is always appreciated! (Oh, by the way, how do you know that 8:02 does not already grow food?) Mahalo.

John Kauai said...

Hi Pete:

Nice to hear from you again.

FWIW: the "terror hormones" include cortisol and other amino acids that supposedly stimulate the production of IGF-1 which causes cell proliferation, which, in turn, stimulates cancer growth. Knowing this, I still eat meat.

There is also the question of just thinking about how the meat was prepared. I can imagine how it might be and it is nauseating. Yet I still eat meat.

It isn't a question of "both sides" as if one is right and the other wrong or even mistaken. It is what I choose to acknowledge as a possibility.

I appreciate Joan's comment on "paradise". It always sounded to me as if someone was bragging up Hawaii as the only place in the universe one can be happy. While I like living here, I also liked Santa Cruz and Boulder and Denver while I was there. I did not like Texas or Southern California.

6:44 7:44

I'm not picking on the seed companies when I point out that the purpose of all corporations is to make a buck that that need often compromises the choices individuals working for the corporation make. Again, not a question of taking sides. I deal with corporations and buy stuff from them. WRT the mega-banks and the loans they made to people who couldn't pay them off, sure people should have recognized that it was "too good to be true" and so are responsible for their own choice. Again though, I'm not trying to prove a "side". I do have empathy for those who now have a mortgage they'll never pay off. It does appear that the same scam is being set up again but this time with motor vehicles. Rachael Maddow brought it up a few nights ago.

So, who's responsibility is it when one's 401k is reduced by 50% at this next crash (assuming the crash is coming). Should the investor have "known" that there are irresponsible consumers who will accept loans they cannot afford from banksters who know they can't afford them and so rearranged his portfolio to protect himself against the crash? Maybe he should have bought municipal bonds (although that didn't work out so well for those who bought Detroit bonds.)

I was scammed once in a real estate deal. I accept my responsibility for letting that happen. But if the scammer had been truthful about the nature of what he was selling, I wouldn't have been scammed.

You guys see everything so black and white. Why?


Anonymous said...

The Gov forced the banks to give low percentage down loans to people who wouldn't qualify in normal life. Then the banks took these high risk loans and sold them as "investments'
The Gov started it, allowed it and is doing nothing to fix it.
Low interest loans are fine...the Banks get the monay for almost zero percent, rake you over the coals for a 4% loan.........all protected by the taxpayer...and made more difficult because of the Commies Barney Frank/Dodd rules.
The small guy is left out. Hirono, Schatz and Tulsi are all part of the the system. Take the tax dollar and benefit big bank.
Vote for the Dems...thay will give you foodstamps and shit healthcare, but try to progress and be strong on you own....no way...these Dems have put more riles in your way that Einstein himself would be perplexed.
Shucks, Einstein wouldn't be able to figure out a simple building permit on KAuai. Planning Department, in charge, but gives no concise answers. A circle jerk of many 100,000 per year employees who live to stop the little guy from owning a house.

Anonymous said...

And (7:44) signing applications with inflated income figures that they knew were false. Strange that we don't hear anything about the applicants that committed bank fraud, with the assistance, of course, of unscrupulous mortgage loan brokers. The most oft-repeated falsehood was: "If you can't pay, you can always sell the property!"

John Kauai said...

10:32
The "government forced"? I think it might be more correct to say that possibly the government incentivized. I note how Aetna has "volunteered" to drop out of the Affordable Care Act exchanges because it was unable to "force" the government into accepting its merger with Humana. (Single-Payer anyone? Bueler?)

Let me think, who was President when the economy crashed? Who controlled congress?

Let's see: the 107 Congress had a majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate
the 108 Congress had a majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate
the 109 Congress had a majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate
the 110 Congress had a majorjity of Republicans in the Senate and Democrats in the House

The Crash happened during the 110 Congress. I find it difficult to lay the cause of the crash at the feet of the Democrats. It takes several years (if not decades) to lay the foundation for a crash. Besides the Democrats is infiltrated with a number of DINOs. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for instance.

As far as doing something about it, well,
the 111 Congress had a majority of Democratic Senators and House Representatives. I recall they were working on the ACA and there was that Coleman/Franken fiasco in MN that kind of blunts the raw numbers.

Then the census of 2010 allowed state legislatures to redraw Congressional districts so... (even though Democrats receive a significant majority of votes, Republicans still control the House)

the 112 Congress returned a Republican Majority to the House and since then nothing is happening. Do you recall the government being shut down by the Republicans?

You have some other points that I won't dispute without a better understanding of exactly what you are trying to say. For example, I'm kind of disillusioned of Schatz and Hirono. And I agree that the Kauai County government doesn't seem to be all that well run (but that may be because I listen to to many complaints on this blog.)

And it "sounds like" you are agreeing that the banksters are ripping off the average citizen looking for a loan (unfortunately you don't address the pay-day loan operators who are being protected by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, a Democrat I despise.)

I don't think Einstein would care to try to figure out Kauai's government. I tried understanding the Planning commission and the different Real Estate tax categories. IMHO, the assessment division just "makes stuff up", but it isn't worth the time any longer for me to try to understand what they are "making up". (maybe they aren't, but the Bynum controversy was stupid, and my neighbor being forced to sell his ADU to deal with the county's rules, just confuses the hell out of me.)


12:39
It isn't strange at all. Financial crooks haven't been held to account since Bush was elected. That Obama didn't pursue them is regrettable. Yet, I don't know the political reality of following that option. Especially in an era when a significant number of Americans think Trump is going to stand up for them. (gag me with a spoon) The last one I remember was Michael Milken, and that was during Bush I, so I assume that Milken pissed off Daddy Bush the same way Panama's leader Noriega did. Bush wasn't getting enough "grease". (Please don't tell me about the "grease" Clinton has collected. I won't dispute that.)


Anonymous said...

The pork/beef we buy at Costco is grown and fed on the Mainland. The seed company sells their product to the farmer who grows the seed into corn and sells the corn to the people raising the pigs or cattle. Sustainable. Most people think so.

Anonymous said...


Hey John, On your response to Pete --

You say you like meat( although it makes you "aggressive" because of the "terror hormone". And yea, Peter called it for what it is.

Out of curiosity John, if we only shot them pigs in the back of the head ,,,, so they didn't see it coming --- and then the adrenalin/terror hormone should not bother you?

Your being ridiculous . If you don't like meat, don't eat it!!!!! Your problem, like many vegan warriors,, as you said your self,,, love meat,,, and it makes them/you feel guilty.

It should not be that conflicting For you John. If you like fresh fish and meat, plenty of locals to buy it from.., they will even kill and dress them for you John. Costs a bit more I reckon---- not killing and gutting your own animals?????????? I'm sorry, butt untill you can do that J,, you opinion sounds like the Kardashians.

Anonymous said...

J Kauai
The gov forcing the banks to give loans to poor credit risks started under Monica Lewinsky's caretaker, Pres Clinton

John Kauai said...

OK, here's an op-ed on eating "humane meat":
http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/24/why-you-should-eat-humane-meat/

Obviously, if if bothered me as much as you think it does I wouldn't eat meat at all. It is just a point of discussion.

6:20
If Willy started the "forced loans", why didn't Bush stop it? It reveals that the story line about the banks being "forced" to do make these loans is ridiculous. What't the purpose of this story other than to make those who were victims of bankster fraud responsible for believing the banks lies. The banks are the "good guys"? LOL! I'm not defending "slick willy". He's suppose to be a really good friend of Poppy Bush.

Anonymous said...


Your 2:13 ,

I am going to ignore who's congress was who's . Blasting the Bush's up again ain't helping anyone no more . We are ALL irritated j man.

I, for one do not want to "blame anyone" any longer.

However, your "progressive" socialism is not only devisive but is unfair to your average Democrat...

Same as what I said to Angela the republican4congress ..On my comment TGI about embarrassing Republicans!!!

What I liked about the Hawaii republicans was they disowned her. Same as the Hawaii Democrats disowned the flip bird chick!!!!!

WE---- in Hawaii are not like New-York or Bay area California as Democrats go.. I personally think that your average Hawaii Democrat is conservative in nature. More so than most Americans. And that is why your average local voter does not scare me!!

Anonymous said...


With respect John,

I cannot speak for the other commenters. But I do recognize your never ending cutting and pasted repetitions.

Your a smart guy j, just tell us what you think my friend.

Speaking for myself, I do not follow a lead to another long winded address that leads me into a morass of your like minded! Just tell us what YOU think, and we can look it up for ourselves at our leisure por favor.

You are determined that we are all idiots and you need to right the boat. But you never have a solution . Only one "last dig"!


Anonymous said...


And to all the commenters that want some kind of "proof of sustainability". You are arrogant commie wannabes attempting to dictate what others do!

Same as j-man does not understand or grasp.----It is not your business how farmers farm. It has been repetitively shown that their is no basis for your paranoid fears.

And for the snow bird time-share pukes speaking against a dairy farm on LTE's on our local news rag???? Talk about repetitive, you all think you are the first to have a "dairy is bad" opinion?

Come visit Kauai enjoy and have fun. To come here and have an opinion on anything pertaining how we do things is disrespectful . And once you have done that, you are no longer welcome! Same as I would not go to your world and tell you what I demand!

What happened that people have become so disrespectfull? And don't tell me the ole love the Aina bullshit.

Anonymous said...

JK is the internet equivalent of the person who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. And he afflicts this blog with annoying spray of blather for the purpose of drawing the discussion to himself. He's a little like a boil on the ass of KE , if you will.

Anonymous said...

You want to spray chemicals all over your farm that is your business but people have the right to know so they can decide if they want to digest it.

Anonymous said...

6:47 A.M. that's fear monger's idealism. when you go to our farmer's markets, I see a lot of farmers who's honest and not honest about what they tell their customers.

Stuff we bring in from the states, same thing. YOU DON'T KNOW and will never know until you visit the farmer's chemical shed.

You want to know when a farmer's straying! look for the stop don't enter sign. find out what the farmer is spraying, Read the label, read the re entry period, read the allowable sales / consumption date.

Nah! you want to decide, do yourself one better, grow your own.

And no forget, no use gas, that's chemicals that create fumes that you really can commit suicide if you really wanted to. (that's a hint for your bull shit fear crying!)

Chemical's is all around of us! Come ON! same story different date. And I know you've been saying the same shit on this blog for a while now.

And i'll say the same fucking thing that none of you answered yet! List Kauai's population who died from pesticides and i'll name 10 of them who died from drugs (you know, the other chemical(s) you choose not to fight against).

Just like Ms. Joan's post today! same short sited bull shit, different date.

Freaking Monday! Have a freaking great dam week!

Anonymous said...

People like you just don't get it and it would be a waste of time schooling you.

Anonymous said...

Very educated. Very at peace with nature. And very in tuned with the land.

And I see the pros and cons of this discussion more then you'll ever know. Now answer my simple question. PLEASE mr. / ms. Precautionairy principle.

Btw, I could be one of the same / similar PEOPLE that are NOT voting for the lair and the community divider. P.S. see ms. Joan's post today. I have to repeat myself because your educated self not listening also.

Same day same discussion. Tomorrow morning will be another day same discussion. Ms. Joan's blog allows it!

ALOHA!

Anonymous said...

Actually in fact the government forced the high risk loans by constant punishment if they were not made. Hawaii was generally spared because of two factors, 1. the cost of homes exceeded the amounts under review, and 2. the high "minority" population prevented the government from setting racial quotas here. Nevertheless, one bank, Central Pacific, took the bait. It is thankfully clearing up its portfolio.

Bradley Choquette said...

Could be worse: California is so desperate for potable water that they're cleaning, and reusing, sewer water and putting in desalination plants in as fast as they can. Burning fossil fuel for water isn't sustainable long-term...